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Andrew Wiggins has made more FGs in his career than Jimmy Butler.

I just came across this stat on BasketballReference and was really surprised. Wiggins made 2867 FGs (on 6510 attemps) and Butler has 2862 FGs (on 6308 attemps). Of course Butler still has more total points because of his superior free throw and 3pt shooting.

Somehow this blew my mind as Butler has been an All-Star several times and is the better player by far, whereas Wiggins still feels kinda ?new“ to the NBA and has been struggling to improve his game.

维金斯迄今为止的投篮命中数比巴特勒多。

我刚在BasketballReference上看到这个数据，着实吓了一跳。维金斯生涯至今命中2867球，巴特勒命中2862球。当然了，巴特勒的总得分还是更多，因为他的罚球和三分更多。

不过这项数据还是让我很诧异，毕竟巴特勒几次入选全明星，而且实力更强，而维金斯至今仍对NBA还有些佛系，而且一直都没咋进步。

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[–][UTA] Joe Ingles NitroXYZ 5076 points 12 hours ago

Wiggins is an ironman and a one dimensional scorer but this is still an incredible stat that I can't believe.

Especially since Butler is a 4x allstar. Very interesting stat OP, thanks for sharing.、

爵士球迷：维金斯就是个铁人，也是个单维度的得分手，不过这个数据还是让人震惊，我不敢相信呐。

何况巴特勒还4次入选全明星，这个数据真是有意思，感谢分享。

[–][IND] Victor Oladipo I_love_Basketball232 1608 points 12 hours ago

He’s also been in the league 3 more years and played 25+ minutes every year other than his rookie year.

步行者球迷：而且巴特勒还比维金斯早进联盟三个赛季，除了处子赛季外，每个赛季场均出场时间都在25分钟以上。

[–][POR] Hasheem Thabeet Montigue 50 points 7 hours ago

For those who are like me and didn't realize which he: it's Jimmy Butler

开拓者球迷：对那些和我一样搞不清状况的人说一句：这可是巴特勒啊。

[–]Bulls jkopecky 44 points 11 hours ago

But in Butler's second year he was a defensive rotation player who really wasn't getting used offensively at all. His second year was a bit more of the same, but with Deng getting traded he at least got thrust into a permanent starting role.

The stat is definitely surprising, but we're comparing Jimmy's 17k minutes to Wiggins 14k and once you discount the fact that Jimmy wasn't even a #3 offensive option for around 5k of those minutes in the first three seasons of his career it becomes not that crazy.

公牛球迷：可是巴特勒进入联盟的第二个赛季他是个偏重防守的轮换球员，当时还没咋适应自己的进攻角色。不过自打鲁尔-邓被交易走之后，他至少得到了一个稳定的首发名额。

楼主列出的那项对比肯定是很让人意外的，巴特勒的出场时间是1万7千多分钟，而维金斯则是1万4千，可是你不能忽视的一个事实是，巴特勒那些出场时间里差不多有5千分钟甚至连球队的第三进攻点都算不上，那是他职业生涯的头三个赛季，这么看的话，那项对比就没那么不可思议了。

[–]tmwinjy 21 points 11 hours ago

Anyone else noticing he only has 5 more FGs but with 202 more attempts? The reason Wiggins got so much flack is because every season he is treated like this franchise saving player by the timberwolves but has never really lived up to it. Jimmy had a point: He had more points, better efficiency and was more "clutch" as the kids would say, but he was treated as the 3rd expendable option.

有人注意到了吗？维金斯的出手次数比巴特勒多了202次，可是命中数仅多了5个。维金斯为啥能得到这么多的开火权呢，因为他自打进入联盟开始就被森林狼当做球队的救世头牌来对待，可是他从来没有真正打出自己的潜力。而巴特勒呢，他的得分更高，效率更高，而且关键时刻更大心脏，可是他一度只是球队里的第三进攻点。

[–]Timberwolves DrWolves 2049 points 10 hours ago*

Yo yo @ me. Wiggins is going to win MIP next season. Everyone loves to trash him at every possible turn. Sure, he may not have lived up to his hype quite yet but nephews run around this sub acting like he’s one of the worst basketball players of all time. The guy still gets buckets and he was seriously impacted by a garbage head coach in Thibs and a jackass teammate in Butler. With a positive environment and good culture with Saunders and Rosas, we will see Wiggins take massive steps next season.

Edit: the amount of people this comment triggered is too damn high LOL shift your energy to something else

森林狼球迷：嘿嘿，聊维金斯找我啊。维金斯下赛季会拿下赛季进步最快球员奖的。大家老是喜欢逮着机会就喷维金斯。的确，或许他还没能打出曾经人们对他推崇备至的潜力，可是这个专区里有些刚看球的小学生却搞得像他是史上最菜球员之一一样。维金斯还是有得分能力的，他以前真是被垃圾主帅锡伯杜和二货队友巴特勒拖了后腿。在如今由小桑德斯和罗萨斯构建的积极的球队氛围和健康的球队文化影响下，维金斯下赛季会取得极大的进步。

编辑：哈哈哈，我这条评论让很多人高潮了，你们要有这个闲心，干点其他的不好吗。

[–]Cavaliers clebrink 14 points 10 hours ago

This is the same thought process your FO used to give him the max lol

骑士球迷：当初你们管理层给他顶薪的时候就是你这种想法，哈哈哈

[–]IAmHere ToBeFair 816 points 10 hours ago

I respect the optimism. I want him to be better too.

我欣赏这种乐观。我也希望他变强啊。

[–]Timberwolves SomaliRection 148 points 12 hours ago

I hope you're right, I love Wiggins the person but uhh...this kind of optimism is historically unwarranted for Minnesota teams.

森林狼球迷：希望你是对的吧，我喜欢维金斯这个人，可是呢……这种乐观对于咱明尼苏达的球队来说不大合适啊。

[–]NBA Walrus-- 97 points 12 hours ago

I'm going to delete my account if he wins MIP

要是他能拿到进步最快球员奖，我就删号。

[–]Thunder Gamerghost44 298 points 8 hours ago

People really out here acting a couple years ago we weren't expecting KAT and Wiggins to take over the league. Dude was averaging 20+ in just his 2nd and 3rd seasons in the league. Stop acting like he's hopeless people.

雷霆球迷：就在几个赛季之前，咱们不是还指望着唐斯和维金斯能震慑全联盟吗，难道你们真忘了这茬吗？这老弟进入联盟的第二和第三个赛季就场均得分20+了。别搞得像维金斯已经毫无希望一样。

[–]Nuggets jump-back-like-33 66 points 8 hours ago

That was all based on his hype, how few people actually watch the Wolves, and how good KAT is.

掘金球迷：这还不都是因为当年把他捧得太高，真正看过森林狼比赛的能有多少，他们知道唐斯有多厉害吗。

[–]Pistons farts_on_boobs 33 points 7 hours ago

He could score, but the rest of his offensive game was incredibly limited, and there were plenty of people who saw that limiting his upside.

活塞球迷：维金斯有得分能力，不过他其他的进攻才华真的是极为有限，很多人都觉得这限制了他的上限。

[–]DCJon 21 points 6 hours ago

He is Demar DeRozan if Demar didn't have the drive, desire to improve and work ethic that he does, so basically Demar DeRozan with a worse jumper, worse FT shot and worse defensive ability.

他就是没有运球、没有进步欲且没有职业追求的德罗赞。所以他基本就等同于一个跳投、罚球和防守全面掉档的德罗赞。

[–]Timberwolves PKS_5 27 points 8 hours ago

I remember when I thought it would be bad if he was only a slightly better DeMar Derozan. Now I'd be fucking ecstatic if he was in the same tier as Demar at his peak.

森林狼球迷：记得当初还觉得，要是他最终只是比德罗赞强那么一点，那会儿我还不能接受。现在呢，要是他能有巅峰德罗赞的水准，那特么我还不得乐死啊。

[–]Clippers PM_ME_UR_BEST_STORY_ 109 points 11 hours ago

I’ve been high on him for a while. I think giving him a max was a mistake (who were they bidding against), but I also expect him to make a jump this year

快船球迷：我一直都很高看维金斯。我觉得森林狼给他顶薪是个错误，不过我仍然期待着他新赛季能迎来飞跃。

[–]Kings cracker_asshole 168 points 11 hours ago

Lol he was the #1 prospect entering high school 10 years ago, everybody has been high on him for a while. He just hasn’t lived up to his ability.

国王球迷：哈哈哈，毕竟10年前的维金斯是全美第一高中生，大家一直都对他抱有很高的期待，只是他至今还没打出让人信服的表现。

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[–]Mavericks Hearthstone30 1430 points 15 hours ago

I had to check myself. Butlers been in the league 3 more seasons but didnt score for shit his first 2. But still has 7 decent scoring seasons compared to Wiggins 5. This boggles my mind quite a bit. Fuck Wiggins career is weird so far.

独行侠球迷：我自己去查了下，巴特勒比维金斯早进联盟三个赛季，可是他头两个赛季就没啥得分啊。尽管如此，比起维金斯这五个赛季，巴特勒还是在联盟打出了7个体面的得分季。楼主的这个对比颠覆了我的认知，维金斯这职业生涯真特么诡异啊。

[–]Rockets Watson4Harden13 414 points 14 hours ago

Yeah I remember Butler saying in an interview that Thibs never gave young guys playing time in Chicago (which would explain why he didn’t do much until he got older)

火箭球迷：是啊，我记得巴特勒之前在采访中说过，在公牛那会儿，锡伯杜压根就不给年轻人表现机会。

[–]NBA Sektsioon 372 points 14 hours ago

I mean Jimmy simply wasnt as good at first. I think he made a huge leap after his 3rd season. He led the league in minutes even in his 3rd season, but only averaged 13 points on bad efficiency, then made a jump to 20 points on a much better efficiency and while playing the same minutes per game

我觉得吧，其实就是刚进联盟的巴特勒并不厉害。我觉得他是在第三个赛季之后取得重大进步的。进入联盟才第三个赛季，巴特勒的出场时间就在联盟前列了，可是效率很差，场均才13分，然后在场均出场时间基本不变的情况下一跃把均分提高到20，效率大幅提升。

[–]Bulls NateGT86 193 points 13 hours ago

He was used as a defensive stopper. He’s always had his lockdown defence.

To his credit he worked incredibly hard to become a decent scorer and Chicago’s primary scoring option (especially since Rose was injured).

公牛球迷：因为他早先是被教练当做一个防守尖兵用的啊，他的防守一直都很稳。

必须得肯定的是，为了成为一个靠谱的得分手和芝加哥的主攻手，巴特勒付出了极为艰辛的努力。

[–][PHI] Allen Iverson AndrewHainesArt 71 points 12 hours ago

His defense still comes first, its all he talked about last season with us, especially the playoffs. Defense leads to offense and they need to lock down and engage on that end first. I loved his mentality on the importance of both ends of the floor being connected

76人球迷：他的防守还是更拿手，上赛季在76人也是为人称道的，特别是在季后赛里。防守带动进攻，他们必须要先立足防守。我喜欢他对攻防之间联系的重要性认知。

[–]Raptors TorontoGameDevs 11 points 13 hours ago

God damn it blew my mind that Wiggins has had 5 full seasons, and has played most games. God I wish he had a work ethic to fine tune his game....

猛龙球迷：我勒个去，维金斯都打了五个赛季了，居然还打了大多数比赛，这真是让我没想到。真希望他没那么养生啊……

[–]Timberwolves dumpyduluth 17 points 11 hours ago

This is my main point when people say he just doesn't care or want to play basketball. He could easily just say he has phantom injuries or general soreness and sit out if he really didn't care.

森林狼球迷：别人说他对比赛不上心的时候我就是这么反驳的。他要是真对比赛不在乎的话，可以直接说有伤或者是浑身酸痛啊，那不就是轻松坐场边看球了嘛。

[–]Thunder Datguywelbs089 783 points 15 hours ago

He's also scored the 12th most points since being drafted. Ahead of giys like pg13 and bradley beal, LMA etc

雷霆球迷：自从被选进NBA后，维金斯的得分高居联盟第12。比乔治、布拉德利-比尔和阿尔德里奇等人还多啊。

[–]NBA Veserius 498 points 14 hours ago

Yeah but he also took hundreds of more shots than those guys.

That stat is actually a bad thing. Wiggins used literally 800~ shooting possessions to score less than 200 more points than PG.

是的，可是他的出手次数也要比这些人多多了。

那个数据实际真没啥意义。维金斯的出手次数比乔治大概多800次，可是得分超出还不到200.

[–]palopalopopa 313 points 13 hours ago

Yeah by pretty much all efficiency metrics, Wiggins is literally one of the worst shooters in the entire NBA. That's counting bench players.

I guess the twolves feel like they have to invest minutes into their first overall pick in the hopes of him magically improving. He's basically a human sunk cost fallacy.

是啊，就从效率来看，维金斯真算是全联盟最水的得分手之一了。你可以把替补球员也算在内。

我猜森林狼也是不得已，他们必须得在这个状元身上投入精力啊，毕竟他们还希望他有朝一日能取得神奇的进步。维金斯基本就是沉没成本误区的人形示范。

[–]NBA Veserius 194 points 12 hours ago

He's basically a human sunk cost fallacy.

This is a perfect way to describe him. If he was the 10th pick and played exactly the same he doesn't get maxed early, and he definitely doesn't just get to keep doing what he's doing.

I really don' t think people understand how destructive it is for a guy to do what he does.

“维金斯基本就是沉没成本误区的人形示范。”这话形容维金斯简直完美啊。要是他当初只是10号秀，没有早早得到顶薪，然后还打出和现在持平的水平的话，那他肯定不能像现在这样打养生球。我真觉得大家还没有理解，一个球员像维金斯这么打球的破坏性有多大。

[–]Timberwolves SushiGato 26 points 12 hours ago

The wolves are trying to improve his efficiency and shot selection. Wiggins shot 47% from corner 3s. He can absolutely improve his efficiency quite a bit. His problems are all pretty much BBIQ and shot selection.

森林狼球迷：我狼也在尽力提升维金斯的效率和投篮选择啊。他的三分命中率47%，肯定是可以大大提升效率的。他的问题基本就是球商和投篮选择。

[–]Celtics Sesleri 7 points 16 hours ago

Every single time someone is high on Wiggins (like some in this thread) they leave out the fga / true shooting and only mention the points.

凯尔特人球迷：那些对维金斯抱有很高期望的人都忽视了投篮次数和真实命中率，只谈得分。

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[–]76ers LeftMeet 454 points 15 hours ago

That's one of the craziest stats I've heard in a while

76人球迷：好久没看到这么不可思议的数据了。

[–][IND] Victor Oladipo I_love_Basketball232 161 points 19 hours ago

So basically Wiggins is better?

步行者球迷：所以是可以说维金斯更强了吗？

[–]Timberwolves eeeedlef 9 points 13 hours ago

Right. Wanna trade?

森林狼球迷：对啊。想交易不？

[–]76ers DemonsReturns76 14 points 16 hours ago

the problem with Wiggins is that he was a no 1 pick

I think if he was picked any where between pick number 4 -10 no one would be bashing him as much

76人球迷：维金斯的问题在于他当初是个状元签。

我觉得吧，如果他的选秀顺位在4到10，那没人会把他喷的这么惨的。

[–]luffythechefghoul 354 points 12 hours ago

Remember when Wiggins and Jabari were supposed to be the next Lebron-Melo. good times

还记得当初咱们把维金斯和贾巴里-帕克当做是下一对詹姆斯和安东尼。不堪回首啊。

[–]Mavericks varroth 210 points 11 hours ago

Didn't Jabari tear his ACL like twice? I feel like he should get some slack.

独行侠球迷：贾巴里不是两次十字韧带撕裂吗？我觉得咱应该对他留点口德。

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